First Amendment and all that stuff....

[trystan830.livejournal.com]

x-posted from my lj, but it's f-locked over there

*sigh*

here's the deal. as a rule, i don't read Wincest. i've read... three. and two of those? i skipped over the really squicky scene(s). and i don't write it, either. so what am i doing posting on this particular subject? the principal of the thing, and that people really should pay closer attention to what they read.

i'm not going to name names, anonimity is safe here. i've had (at least) two people on my flist (that i know of, anyway) get busted on, ragged on, insulted, nasty comments left in their various ljs because they wrote wincest, and it was properly tagged as such.

here's the deal. proper reading skills are required to read the phrase "Pairing: Sam/Dean"... or whatever your pairing may be. there's also the phrase "Rating: Adult." these are the kind of fics i just scroll right on by, don't stop, just keep going. that's the point of this information in the header. (i'm sure many many people skip over my "gen" or "Dean/OFC; NC-17" fics.)

i don't even read it; so why would i take the time to read through a fic, and then comment, "that's sick!" or "ewww!! they're doing what????" and while i believe there are some things that should not be written by sane, healthy adults, i'm not being forced to read it.

to quote one of my favourite sayings, "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" (Voltaire, it's in my sidebar at my lj)

your LJ counts as freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of expression, freedom of opinions, and freedom of thought. and as well it should be.

any kinds of fic is allowed to be posted here, as long as it has the proper header.

Comments

[potthead.livejournal.com]

First, I don't ship Wincest, but your comment makes it sound like you think Wincest and child porn are the same thing, when, in fact, they're not. Just thought I'd clear that up for ya.

[potthead.livejournal.com]

It doesn't always ruin lives. I mean, if two people love each other and they're not harming anyone, then who are we to keep them from their happiness?

[potthead.livejournal.com]

You are just not gonna get it are you? You'll say anything to justify your aberration.
That's what you do in a debate. That's what you're doing. It's a little stick-up-the-ass of you to assume that you're definitely in the right here. I'm not just going to cower down to your ignorant way of viewing this in a black and white way.

[potthead.livejournal.com]

First, my argument isn't about child sexual abuse, it's about incest. Cuz any sort of abuse is bad. I don't know all the details, but your case seems to be incest with child sexual abuse, and for that, I'm sorry. But that does NOT mean you automatically have the right to say all incestual relationships are automatically bad just because you had a bad experience. It's unfortunate for you, but insincere as this may seem, your ONE experience means you know 'squat' as well. ONE experience does not define the many millions, maybe even trillions of other scenarios.

[potthead.livejournal.com]

I'm not being willfully blind. I acknowledge that there are bad things about incestuous relationships and such, but there are bad things about a man and a woman in a relationship too. There are bad things about all kinds of relationships.

You, however, are being willfully ignorant by saying all incestuous relationships or whatever will result in something bad and painful/harmful.

[litashields.livejournal.com]

As a "survivor", you should know better than anyone just how crucial an open mind is. Truth of that matter is, you don't like it, don't read it. I'm sorry it offends you. It's just a TV show, and the fics are just words on a page. I'm sure you had somesort of hobby that helped you to overcome your trama. Well, everyone has some sort of drama or trama in their lives and if they deal with it by exercising their creative liscense... that is their right. Child abuse is never right. But incest is seen as "wrong" or "deviant" because modern society considers it to be so.

Ancient rulers could only marry a family member, to keep the bloodline pure. Incest was a sign of status, that your blood was too precious to be tainted by an outside source. The world changes.

And using the phare "willfully blind" is pretty pretentious, don't you think? Seeing as how you don't really know what they are thinking and whether they truely are being "willfully blind".

[sabbath-darius.livejournal.com]

How would you know? Are you a victim of incest? Do you feel that it is killing people out there? Yeh it sucks sometimes, but there are people that truly feel that making love to a relative is closer than others. About 200 years ago there were people marrying cousins and brothers, so the rules have changed, but people haven't. Leave them alone and let people live their life. if you don't like what you read just don't read it.

[mddevi.livejournal.com]

Woah....Okay child porn, they are so not the same thing, I agree with you. What have you guys been smoking to think that?