First Amendment and all that stuff....

[trystan830.livejournal.com]

x-posted from my lj, but it's f-locked over there

*sigh*

here's the deal. as a rule, i don't read Wincest. i've read... three. and two of those? i skipped over the really squicky scene(s). and i don't write it, either. so what am i doing posting on this particular subject? the principal of the thing, and that people really should pay closer attention to what they read.

i'm not going to name names, anonimity is safe here. i've had (at least) two people on my flist (that i know of, anyway) get busted on, ragged on, insulted, nasty comments left in their various ljs because they wrote wincest, and it was properly tagged as such.

here's the deal. proper reading skills are required to read the phrase "Pairing: Sam/Dean"... or whatever your pairing may be. there's also the phrase "Rating: Adult." these are the kind of fics i just scroll right on by, don't stop, just keep going. that's the point of this information in the header. (i'm sure many many people skip over my "gen" or "Dean/OFC; NC-17" fics.)

i don't even read it; so why would i take the time to read through a fic, and then comment, "that's sick!" or "ewww!! they're doing what????" and while i believe there are some things that should not be written by sane, healthy adults, i'm not being forced to read it.

to quote one of my favourite sayings, "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" (Voltaire, it's in my sidebar at my lj)

your LJ counts as freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of expression, freedom of opinions, and freedom of thought. and as well it should be.

any kinds of fic is allowed to be posted here, as long as it has the proper header.

Comments

[bodgei.livejournal.com]

As I said in my earlier response, I don’t think rape, sexual abuse or any sort of abuse should be romanticized. I’ve read your responses to the others as well, and honestly I am sorry for everything that has happened to you. That being said, I don’t feel that you fully addressed my question to you so I will re phrase: should rape and incest be treated differently than other crimes? Criminals are often written in such a way as to romanticize the life they lead. Reading about Bonnie and Clyde doesn’t make one turn into a bank robber or a murderer (or a bisexual swinger for that matter).

Does not talking about it/ not thinking about it make you feel better? If it does then don’t read. As I said, you’ve made that choice that honors the life you lead. But I still don’t believe that putting an end to Wincest would make things significantly better in the world. And I have to admit that the equating Wincest with child porn and child abuse still confuses me, most Wincest I’ve seen takes place when both “boys” are adults, admittedly Dean does have a place in Sam’s mind as a partial parent (I would even go to the extent to say that Dean is Sam’s “beloved parent” just as Sam is John’s “Beloved son”) and therefore has some power and control over the situation, but in the end he’s still a brother, and Sam can (and has) simply walked away. As far as I can tell that is where the similarity to abuse stops.

I honestly don’t want you to feel like I’m attacking you here. I feel from your earlier responses that you are feeling attacked, and I think the whole point of this community in particular is that people be free to express their opinions. I hope that, someday, your pain lessens. I will keep you in my prayers, such as they are.

[bodgei.livejournal.com]

Six years ago a man I knew (a fellow chronic pain sufferer) made the choice to lay down in front of a train to end his pain. Think of that, the pain of being cut in half was less then the pain he lived with every day. Should the doctor that misdiagnosed his condition until it was untreatable be tried, convicted and killed? Should the Doctor that misdiagnosed my broken spine and nerve damage as a torn ligament be tried, convicted and killed?

I ask because statistically I will suffer one of three deaths heart attack (from the stress of feeling physical pain of every second of every day for the past 21 years) drug over dose (accidental- in an attempt to control pain that can not be controlled) or suicide (this is the most popular death of chronic pain sufferers)

You are saying that your pain is more valid than mine, more valid then a friend of mine who was beaten and left for dead, simply because she had a friend who was gay.

But here’s the thing. That’s not the point. Most of the fics in question are between two ADULTS, they are not adult/ child (OK so some are but most are current to the series) and NOT between a parent child.