First Amendment and all that stuff....

[trystan830.livejournal.com]

x-posted from my lj, but it's f-locked over there

*sigh*

here's the deal. as a rule, i don't read Wincest. i've read... three. and two of those? i skipped over the really squicky scene(s). and i don't write it, either. so what am i doing posting on this particular subject? the principal of the thing, and that people really should pay closer attention to what they read.

i'm not going to name names, anonimity is safe here. i've had (at least) two people on my flist (that i know of, anyway) get busted on, ragged on, insulted, nasty comments left in their various ljs because they wrote wincest, and it was properly tagged as such.

here's the deal. proper reading skills are required to read the phrase "Pairing: Sam/Dean"... or whatever your pairing may be. there's also the phrase "Rating: Adult." these are the kind of fics i just scroll right on by, don't stop, just keep going. that's the point of this information in the header. (i'm sure many many people skip over my "gen" or "Dean/OFC; NC-17" fics.)

i don't even read it; so why would i take the time to read through a fic, and then comment, "that's sick!" or "ewww!! they're doing what????" and while i believe there are some things that should not be written by sane, healthy adults, i'm not being forced to read it.

to quote one of my favourite sayings, "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" (Voltaire, it's in my sidebar at my lj)

your LJ counts as freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of expression, freedom of opinions, and freedom of thought. and as well it should be.

any kinds of fic is allowed to be posted here, as long as it has the proper header.

Comments

[adelheide.livejournal.com]

(cont.)

In that vein, I read the tags when I’m about to read a fic. I don’t like underage sex, so I don’t read it. I also don’t like violent sex. I much prefer to read stories about what goes on between consenting adults. Does that mean that I think all incest is hunky dory and fine? No. Does that mean that I think child pornography is okay? Obviously, not, since I don’t read underage sex fic of any kind. Does this mean that I’m some kind of perverted danger to society? No, because I get the difference between pretend and real. While fan fiction is that last bastion of “gonzo” literature, in that it will go places most mainstream lit won’t go, it doesn’t mean I read it all or approve of it all. However, I do understand that people have a right to express themselves. As much as I find the message of the Aryan Nation abhorrent, I understand that they have a right to say what they want. I wish they wouldn’t. I really wish they’d go away. But in a free society, you can’t have everything go your way all the time. You have to compromise.

I think the phenomena of Wincest is an interesting one, but certainly not the first one. As long as there has been fic, there has been people writing lead characters getting funky. It will always happen. In this fandom, the lead characters happen to be related. Not that first time incest has occurred in fic. But I do think it’s important to understand the dynamics in these fics are (typically) not the same dynamics found in an cases of abusive child/adult incest. And it is fiction. So it’s comparing apples and oranges in a way that doesn’t serve the argument well.

[trystan830.livejournal.com]

I do understand that people have a right to express themselves. As much as I find the message of the Aryan Nation abhorrent, I understand that they have a right to say what they want. I wish they wouldn’t. I really wish they’d go away. But in a free society, you can’t have everything go your way all the time. You have to compromise.
very good point there... and i bolded what's really the important part.

I do think it’s important to understand the dynamics in these fics are (typically) not the same dynamics found in an cases of abusive child/adult incest. And it is fiction.
yes this is the important part here too. while i've said i only read three wincest fics (and skipped over the wincest in two of 'em), i would imagine it is a different dymanic (amybe a heavy dose of RPS, and the writer changes the names?), and the important part here is it's fiction.

very well said. thanks.